September 12, 2001
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At a minimum, this man
must leave this planet NOW.
Yes, he is a man. But to many--including himself, also THE premier symbol of terrorist defiance.
These terrorists have destroyed and ruined countless lives in the execution yesterday of their attacks upon certain of our symbols of democracy, freedom, and civilization here in America. They attacked these symbols--military and financial--with a delight in taking lives. Our symbols can survive and will be rebuilt, renewed, and restrengthened. But those lives are lost forever. That we mourn relentlessly.
Now we must destroy their symbol. But guard to take no delight in the loss of life. Yet...since he is The Symbol and a man, he must die. Many will go with him. Many will chose to go with him. Others simply must go with him. Mercy upon all their souls as we must mercilessly destroy this symbol of terror and its ability to ever again visit us with hate and destruction.
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Amen.
>Raises Hand< Take me. I am coming. I want to rip this guy apart. No need to kill anyone else. Just send me in there, and I'll just pick him, and no one else.
I wish there was another solution than to continue the bloodshed.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT ON BRO!!!
We must stand tall and proud during this time of madness..we owe it to the innocent people that lost their lives on September 11th....this country will survive this, it will not be destroyed by evil forces..we will arise from the ashes
Rosemary
this is hysteria. there is no definite evidence so far of this man's guilt. there is only speculation, and the desperate need for scapegoats.
the only thing we know for sure is that the people who actually did this are as dead as the victims.
sangreal,
Wrong. Even if "this man" has not yet and perhaps can never "be proven" to be particularly responsible for these acts of terror, he is the self-proclaimed and widely-hailed symbol of terrorism worldwide. He is the Charlie Manson of terror and his ongoing inspiration for and tentacle-like support of terror worldwide must be brought to an end--now--regardless.
And, if others, not directly related to him, are "proved" to be the ones directly responsible for these particular acts, they too must join him in leaving the planet.
no, I'd say I'm still right. his responsibility in this case is not proven. this was my only claim.
you're right that he is an international symbol of terrorism. I'm not contesting this.
but, I'd question whether it's a good idea to execute him for this, for several reasons.
first of all, because even the Nazi doctors were given a fair trial. to throw away fair judicial processes, the concept of evidence and reason in a haze of retaliatory bloodthirst is a principal sign of the barbarism that the criminals here stand accused of.
if America really is different from its enemies, I'd say it should show so right now by not giving in to bloodthirst and the abuse of power. if not I'd say this is a case of choose your enemies with care lest you become like them...
secondly, because he'd become an instant martyr to American "global imperialism", and hundreds would spring up to take his place. stoking the fires of international resentment against America by acting autocratically, in the same way America acted when it decided to bomb baghdad earlier this year in flagrant contravention of the international community (except the UK), is just not a good idea...
don't get me wrong, this is a crime, the man is a criminal (though maybe not guilty of this particular crime) and steps should be taken, but two wrongs do not make a right.
my 2 cents, anyway.
Well, just fuck the "instant martyr" thing. His imminent and continuing threat to our lives and way of life is much, much greater than the springing up of potentially dangerous followers. This "let's placate the enemy lest they get angry" crap is weak. He's a fucking filthily-wealthy, highly-organized, terrorist-genius. Those who would spring up to "replace him" are almost certainly neither as wealthy nor as brilliant as he. Deal with him now and then vigilantly begin to proactively deal with any look-alike wannabe's as they "arise."
As far as the "Nazi doctors", you speak of them after they were already arrested and awaiting punishment. You are pursuing this with the mentality of a litigant. I am doing so as a warrior. This man, this symbol, and his organization and legion of followers will not relent to litigation, or "proof," and will insist upon their own death rather than capture. Had we, during the conduct of the 2nd World War, the intelligence and the ability to assassinate the "Nazi doctors" that we later arrested and put on trial, we would have been criminal not to do so. Some of those Nazis and "Nazi doctors" took their own lives rather than submit to our incarceration. I simply insist on dispatching this man from our midst—or assisting him in removing himself—NOW--before he decides it is time to dispatch tactical nukes or germ weaponry.
I think we need to know as many facts as possible. But I also hope that Bush remains true when he says we make no distinction between the terrorists and the people who harbor them.
They rely on the fact that as terrorists, there is no definite target. I think if a country makes itself available, harbors and trains and encourages these acts of war, and if the people of that country support it (although I won't necessarily come to that conclusion because there were a few palestinians that cheered on TV), then that country has declared war.
And I think we should do the same. Of course, I believe, in this democracy, and that it should be according to the constitution, debated in congress, who are supposed to have the power to declare war or not.
I know this won't be the case, and that our response will be dictated by the executive branch, as is most of our foreign policy, which I submit is one of the reasons we are viewed so differently from without than from within. Not that that excuses anytyhing. This is an act of war, and should be dealt with appropriately.
the irony, of course, is that the Taliban was trained, organised and equipped by the Reagan administration and the CIA during the late 70s/early 80s... and so was bin Laden. he's a real American monster, come back to roost.
...As was Gen. Noriega in Panama a US-trained intelligence officer for the La Guardia...now sitting in a US Federal penitentiary.
America has collected a lot of bad karma for the things we have done, such as helping and funding terrorists in the past, for our own profit.
This does not come close to excusing the events of yesterday. However, we will be no better if our response is also random bloodshed.
I realize you consider yourself a warrior and you feel this is the best solution. I consider myself a pacifist. I would like to see Bin Laden captured and held responsible for his actions. Unfortunately I don't think this will be possible with out a great deal of bloodshed. Are there easy answers? No, and that is what makes all of this so very difficult. Good and evil have never been a black and white issue. It has always really been about shades of gray.
Sorry, I am rambling, it is hard to put my thoughts into words and everything feels so emotional today. I guess what I am trying to say is that just pointed bigger and meaner guns at each other is not the answer.
He deserves to pay for it as does everyone who was involved.
I normally am not for retribution, but in this case, if he was indeed the one behind the helm of this evil act, I would personally give MY life to take HIS, and rid the world of further crimes against humanity.
The Duchess
Remember the oklahoma bomb? I remember everyone saying it was terrorists from that same group. trained by that same man. It turned out to be one of our own fucking military men.......why don't we wait and see who really is responsible for this and then punish them accordingly.......
-T
He should have been gone long ago... now it is time to do something.. NOW
you're a pretty cool guy, notforprophet, but i have to disagree with you here. two wrongs don't make a right, cliches scratch and bite for a chance at the limelight again, and if all we can do is fight...have we really advanced to a stage beyond mere barbarism? if you wanna go fuck some shit up, why not start here? (http://my.marijuana.com/article.php?sid=2036&mode=thread&order=0) whoever did this had to have been pushed up against a wall, and i'm well-aware that the US gov't and corporations have no problem with trampling over other people for their own gain. i'm not defending the actions of whoever did this; a lost life is a lost life irregardless of some imaginary thing people call 'nationality.' bush is going to use this incident to incite patriotism, extreme nationalism and hatred to fuel another arms race, another huge military buildup, strip away civil rights. it's already nazi-like as it is...where in loisiana, glow sticks and dust masks are considered drug paraphernalia and you can be arrested and searched for not wearing a seat belt. instead of lust for revenge, let's look at our government whose every word is a lie. let's look at oil corporations who need an american outpost in the middle east to protect profits (isarel). let's look at the CIA and all the political destablization they've done (centra/south america). let's look at why someone would choose to die simply to send a message that could not be ignored. if we let hatred and fear rule the day, world war III might as well be upon us.
I was sent today a piece from Nostadamus's predictions about the twinned towers and the burning city of York..lets hope this doesn't become the apocalypse through this evil man's acts
If he is responsible....why can't we find him? We can pick up wireless calls, monitor a dime from outerspace but we can't find him?
I agree, he is a threat that needs eliminating, but it isn't yet established he is behind this (regardless he still needs taking out of course!)
Latest news is they have arrested some people, so let's hope this throws some new light on the sequence of tragic events.
This would never have happened if the United States and the rest of the civilized world had not tolerated some countries protecting terrorists. It is time to stand up to terrorism. If good people do nothing, evil prevails
As someone said; the doctor doesn't hate cancer - but it won't keep him from doing his best to terminate it.
May he and those who follow his works suffer in the flames of Hell!!!!September 11, 2001, will be forever etched into my mind. It is the most horrible nightmare anyone can ever imagine. There is Death everywhere here in New York City. The two Twin Towers buildings were leveled, and all inside were killed, and burried alive. There are people still alive in the rubble of the buildings, and rescue crew are trying to find them. It is the horror of horrors. If I am dreaming this I need to wake up now!!!!!!! I look across to Manhattan and see smoke, billowing up from where there was a beautiful skyline marking the Death of our Loved Ones. God Help US!!! How could anyone imaginable be so inhumane to do such a crime?
I am speechless. There are no words of comfort to anyone for the loss of their losses of family and friends. God Help US
I agree he needs to be taken out and any other scum like him and I am more then willing to go along to help.
Kill 'em all and let Allah kick their pathetic ass again.
Sail on... sail on!!!
I'm not one for random bloodshed, but then again this world is far from perfect! In order to stop others from attacking the United States we need to make it clear to the rest of the world that we will not tolerate such acts. Bush is currently taking the intelligent route of gaining allies and then as soon as someone is found responisble they will come to realize why there has been little terrorism before this. ITs because as Americans we will not accept such acts of insanity. In other words they knew that when they fucked with us we would come after them. They wanted to see the wrath of the United States and they shall. Two wrongs might not make a right, but in this case it just might prevent a third wrong. Considering the third wrong might just hit your home town the next time I personally am behind all military force...
even if he wasn't the one this time, he should have been killed long ago...
After reading the wonderful commenting here...
We should make this fair and insure no innocents are harmed by allowing Osama and myself to do ten rounds of bareknuckle boxing to the death. I feel confident this will solve our situation by giving him the opportunity for die for our cause and solving our need for justice. Shit, he can even make a speech beforehand, if he wants. But I get to make one afterwards.
so what happens when we get indications of where this attack originated from, but no smoking gun? do you expect a confession? damn, if OJ wasn't convicted, how are we going to get enough evidence to convince you folks that mr. rich-anti-american-hide-out-in-afghanistan-terroist guy is involved? the government has admitted he was likely the man behind the embassy bombings in east africa and the attack on the uss cole...this is already reason enough to go after the man, not to mention he has already been behind one attack on the world trade center, back in 1993...
think about it
this is not the work of 12 to 20 timmothy mcveighs...it was a coordinated attack at targets thought by the islamic fundamentalist extremists to be essential to demoralizing us...we have enough evidence to go after him already, for these other atrocities...the problem may be that this network of terrorists is so distributed, offing one man won't bring it down...
the US created the taliban and bin laden, noriega, pinochet....so much evil with this same logic. violence and retaliation create its own infinite rhetoric, there is no getting out of its downward spiral.
i applaud pixelpusher and sangreal for putting it so well. no civilian deaths can ever be justified without being no better than terrorists.
peace.
Make no mistake: he will pay, we, the Pentagon are getting on top of the situation as we speak.
thank you for putting that picture on your web log, I also have put a picture on mine, the more people that see that picture in the world the better, maybe someone somewhere in the world will notice it and find that ugly bastard and take care of him for good. It is good that people see what the devil himself looks like. The child killer, and killer of inncocent hard working Americans. He is truly sub-human.
I'm agreeing with woodnymph....
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