September 15, 2002
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MarcoPolo is passionately rallying to rage against the Enemy Within.
Here was my response:
Regardless of whether your discernment of a *war* against *our very own leaders* is an accurate assesment or not, we didn't just imagine 9/11. Nor are the precise perpetrators of that act *just imagining* similar and even more horrendous acts against us in the days and years ahead. It would be nice to pretend that if we deposed our own leaders, that butterflies could go back to wing-flapping without hurricane concerns. But such imaginings just don't concur with the reality signatures of this world. If anyone, Saddam fits the model of Hitlerian excellence and ruthlessness much better than George--at least for now. Damn if his expansionist land-grasping during the Persian Gulf War wasn't exactly the fulfillment of the Nazi concept of Lebensraum.
Yes, I share your concern for the abuse and potential for abuse of power by American leadership. But seeing a little brush fire burning nearby doesn't deter me from also seeing the forest fire about to rage out of control down the road. Yes, I will probably take a sec to stifle the brush fire near my house first--to save my own house and prevent a second wildfire. But having done so, I won't just walk back inside and turn on the news to see updates on the fire down the road. Hell no! I will, of course, go fight that too. And because it is more ferocious and potentially dangerous to all, my counter-efforts will be in kind.
No, Saddam et. al. are not the kind of wildfire that will extinguish themselves if/when they observe good American householders dousing brush (Bush) in their backyards with pans and pots of water. And if the flames of their fire are allowed to reach our continent again , all the pots and pans of water in America will become mere symbols of futility in repressing the impending devastation.
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Allthough this is a touchy theme I am most pleased to be able to holler AGREED so loud that it's heard all the way to Bagdad!
Now, if you have the time (!) and want to.. go read my comment on your previous entry ;)
Good analogy here.
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Well said...
I'm w/woodnymph...I do love analogies that make sense.
thanks...
The analogy is a perfectly-drawn one indeed. Of course, the fact that your conclusion is flawlessly logical does help!
And, I wonder at people who think that the kinds of things going on in Southwest Asia are new. At least someone was paying attention in history class...
It would seem that you and I are brothers-in-firefighting-arms!
Out-fucking-standing entry.
Sail on… sail on!!!
I'm ignorant of the ways and means of waging war. I feel frustrated by Sadam's decades long habit of thumbing his nose at UN demands that he cease and desist. On the one hand, I'm all for bombing his ass into oblivion, but on the other hand, didn't we try that? It seems to me that we need to rethink this whole "warfare is between states" thing. I see nothing wrong with a concentrated surgical strike aimed at assasination of Sadam. Why should we strike at "public targets"? The loss of Iraqi life and property doesn't seem to faze him at all. He seems to have no problem whatsoever using his own people as human shields, putting munitions under hospitals and schools. Why should we play by his rules and give him more footage of "atrocities" to show the world?
I don't know. Like I said, I'm ignorant of the ways of war. I'm not against action that would take him out. I'm afraid we are going to start something that we can't finish because in trying to play "by the rules," we let him have too much control of the gameboard.
Who is this Saddam character I keep hearing so much about? Does he sell Plastic Donkeys? Because if he does, I don't want any.
Accursed Plastic Donkey salesmen.
Can't they just hire an assassin to get rid of him? That would be so much easier. Wouldn't it?
If the US bombs Iraq, I will be very scared. Both to stay here, and to go home.
(So yes, I am in PA
. And I've been busy, darnit! 
)
i'm totally confident that a strike against iraq would be a success. thats almost a granted considering the odds, right? it would be very pleasing to see a madman like saddam utterly destroyed and the rights of women and the people of iraq restored and rebuilt.
but there is more to the picture than just this. the cultural differences between the arab and western worlds is so vast that war will only create more of a divide. as more arabs view our destructive acts, more will be driven to step forward and defend their threatened culture, their beliefs, their way of life.
an attack against iraq is something all sides will watch closely and may turn those who would join together with us against us instead. in the long run it could hurt us more than help us. to see the big picture is quite difficult from our current emotional and political mood.
Great analogy.
I am so glad I am clueless most of the time
or do I just pretend to be until pushed *winks*
I agree with Quiltnmomi... what credibility does the U.N. have when they let Iraq blatantly break the rules the U.N. has established?
And I have a big problem with people now blaming the U.S. for the terrorist attacks. Kinda like saying the girl who was raped had it coming to her for being so darn sexy. I just don't understand the logic(?) that is being employed.
I would suggest a surgical assasination attempt as well, but the entire ordeal may not be as one-dimensional as we all assume it to be. I too am ignorant to the ways of war (unless you mean WarCraft. In which case, prepare to be owned
), so I know that any sort of attack our counter-measure that I come up with has probably already been thought of by the higher ups.
Obviously there's something stopping the assasination of Saddam. Perhaps there's a conspiracy of sorts. Who knows. All that I know is that the Bush Administration wants him dead or out of power, and the easiest way to do that would be to kill him. And yet they haven't.
I'm voting conspiracy.
MarcoPolo is a well meaning, excellent and astute writer but none-the-less far detached from general and modern political reality.
However, knowing the history of Fascism, I must admit the rise in American Nationalism gives me Lorenz-effect butterflies in my stomach … Three students, shook-down for making tasteless jokes about terrorism in the South … My, how cautious of what paths we travel at this point in history!
So, NotForProphet, since you apparently didn't actually read my reply to your (I know you're a busy guy) comment, I will re-post it here:
""Notforprophet: I never meant to imply that the Middle East crisis was going to dissappear if we decided to clean out the white house. Certainly, the timing of all this is very propitious for them, in that no one would DREAM of starting a major string of indictments right before such a huge War. Of course it would leave us like sitting ducks for months while the country's internal politics rearranged themselves.
Indeed, the Middle East War is a REAL problem. I am saying "let's look closely at the sources of this conflict, and the ways in which our own foreign & military policies helped create it." And you're right, it will not go away by all of us singing Kumbaya around a fire. This is some serious shit that's about to hit us. I do not WANT war, but because of the political past, it's coming whether we want it or not.
What could we have done different to prevent our position? And will we have a chance to make those changes possible in the uncertain future?""
Post-Datum: A little research brings up the fact that "assassinations", as proposed by your other, obviously more politically savvy readers, are against certain international laws governing combat between nations, and in fact, against US military code.
Of course the fact that the US government has written laws preventing itself from certain actions has never really been a deterrent. So, one must ask the question: if they REALLY wanted Saddam Hussein out of the game, why *haven't* they done it?
It's not as easy as in the movies. As I said, those are Martial Fantasies and Rambo doesn't actually exist. And it takes a helluva great effort to get a single Black-op or a little platoon into the heart of enemy territory to kill the leader of a nation in his sleep. But I'm sure the US has done it, in more crucial situations where immediate removal of a power-player was indeed the goal.
Let's not forget who put Hussein there to begin with. Same CIA goon who later funded the Taliban against the Soviets, invaded Panama to erase Intelligence information, and who later bought the White House for his illiterate alcoholic son.
Oh, and did I mention his father, Prescott Bush, made all his millions trading directly with the Nazis before and during WWII?
The information is out there. It's not hidden. You just have to assemble it yourself. But so long as people keep quoting old Chuck Norris movies as examples of sound foreign policy strategies, I will not count myself among those out of touch with political realities.
I salute your wonderful writings and your point of view. I respect your constitutional rights to voice it, even if the "current political realities" are making it ever more dangerous for me to voice mine.
(PS: Down here in Santa Cruz, a women's clinic has just been raided, shut down, all its assets seized, its founding members arrested and detained, on "suspicion of terrorism". A woman's clinic? This is not theory, people. The constitution is in shambles, the laws have changed, and they reflect the biases of the people in power. A woman's clinic. Check Ashcroft's political platform on women's clinics.
The Truth is just a Google away.
OH PS: I still don't see where you got that I said 9-11 was "imagined". Or for that matter, where your commenters got that I am claiming it's the US's fault.
But surely 9-11 has partially been subject to the imagination (every event is), and surely Americans are partly to blame in world affairs being what they are (everyone is).
PPS: Thanks for the link in your blog, it has generated many hits for that page. You get E-props!
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