May 23, 2006
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Some thoughts about Xanga's Footprints...
First, Xanga's tracker - Footprints - is the ONLY tracker that cannot be defeated by simple anti-tracking counter-measures. That's because it is a SERVER-side control and not a BROWSER (client) - based control like ALL of the rest of the 3rd party Xanga trackers.
All client/browser -based trackers can be ever so easily circumvented by proxies, disabling browser settings, etc., and thus permit an unquantifiable amount of stealth activity to go undetected. Server-side controls are enforced on the server - you'd have to breach server security to to defeat them and Xanga is betting that no one will.
Xanga's Footprints, however, currently has one 'hole' purposely left open to afford those of us who may feel restricted or spied upon by a requirement to leave footprints: you can choose not to participate in Footprints and you currently will not be trackable by your username, though you will be tracked by those employing Footprints by country/state.
Initially, my reaction to this hole, left on Mary's post was harshly negative:
"You should either provide the service with full integrity (and as a server-based service, it is the only tracker capable of full integrity) or junk it. A lot of Xangans who will use your tracker will forget that Xangans can always opt to go under the radar. If you do continue with it in this wounded form, you should put a very strong, large, and bold verbal and graphic reminder on the Footprint Page to that effect."
John responded to my comment in a personal email and asked me:
"Is your sense that the Footprint optout is too stalker-friendly?"
He also suggested a couple of compensating controls for this 'hole', one of which would be a Footprint User Lock.
Concerning his suggestion of this Lock, I responded to him with the following:
"OR...as you suggest, having a compensating control to close the hole. You mention a "User Footprint Lock". I imagine this to be a mechanism used in conjuction with Xanga Lock and Footprint to lock out anyone from one's site that decides to opt-out of Footprinting. If you can devise such a mechanism and it is 100% reliable, then I believe that you will have a perfect blocker-tracker: some people can opt-out (of being tracked and tracking) and still visit some Xanga sites (of those not enforcing the User Footprint Lock); other people can decide to lock down their site so only those who comply with being Footprinted can visit. In that case:
If I agree to Footprinting, I may or may not utilize the Footprint logs, may or may not enforce Xanga Lock and the User Footprint Lock. If I do use Footprinting with Xanga Lock and User Footprint Lock, then essentially I am creating a "Qualified Protected Environment" with the key being a Xanga username: provide a username to be recorded and you'll be let in.
If I opt-out of Footprinting, I realize that I won't be able to visit users who employ Xanga Lock with Footprinting and User Footprint Lock.
Am I getting your sense of User Footprint Lock right?"
John's response to me? ...
"Cool, yah that's exactly how a Footprint Lock would work."
So my hope is that John and the Xanga Team go ahead and start to compensate for the tracker hole they are affording as an opt-out by developing this User Footprint Lock and keeping us notified of progress in this area.
To summarize, here's how the tracker security now works, followed by a vision of how it would work with a viable Footprint Lock in place...
Currently, if you are using Xanga Lock and Footprints and other users are...
- Not Signed In: they cannot see your page.
- Signed In and Not Participating: you'll see their Country or State.
- Signed In and Participating in Footprints: you'll see their username.
If, in the future, you are using the Xanga Lock, Footprints, and the Footprint Lock, and other users are...
- Not Signed In: they cannot see your page.
- Signed In and Not Participating: they cannot see your page.
- Signed In and Participating in Footprints: you'll see their username.
Nobody will be forced to participate in Footprints, but you will have the choice of whether or not you want a Footprint to be an entry token to your blog.
This works for me.
John: Keep us posted!
- Not Signed In: they cannot see your page.
Comments (215)
If it keeps the group/person off my site that has been the problem for almost 5 years, I'm for it. What *I* want is ISP blocking, for they simply make new accounts to harass, with the exact same ISP info for them all, when the other forms of blocking were working. But since it's gone on for almost 5 years, I'm not holding my breath for an effective stop to it.
With the footprint lock in place, I will be one mighty pleased xangan.
Wren
You are like the UN translator - or the guru/author of "Xanga features for dummies" YOU DA MAN!!!
Am I understanding you correctly? Are you actually advocating a setting that says "if I can't track you, you can't read me"?
My 'problem' alreadys uses a proxy to appear to be in Cali. when they actually are not. And I'm sure should it ever be that they can actually BE blocked they have 'friends' who will ail them my site daily. But cutting down the access holes in any way at all is a very good thing to me...the crap has gone on way, way too long.
quoth NFP:
RYC: Yes, that's what John envsions. I'm not advocating it personally for my own use, but for the whole muck of tortured, attacked, paranoid, and youthfully-sexually-exploitable masses out there, it will provide a comfort zone. Of course, an alias is an alias is an alias and proxies can still shield the originating IP address. But if someone wants to crawl under a Xanga rock, I say let them. If they block me from visiting and I feel offended by that because I don't want to be footprinted, then I'm taking all of this much too seriously.
This could be a good thing ONLY as a parental control to protect minors. The rest of the tortured, attacked, and paranoid masses need to grow up, toughen up, or get the hell off of my internet.
(BTW, I always check comments I leave for replies in the proper context. No need to create a disjointed mess of a conversarion by splitting threads between sites. Xanga should work on a threaded comment/reply system instead of pandering to neurotics.)
sean,
You know that if someone wants to block you because you don't want to offer your username as a token, that you don't really want to visit them anyhow. So it would also be a quick screen for you to indicate to you those unworthy of your further visits.
Perhaps xanga should split into two: the paranoid Footprinted and the phobic-don't-track-me Un-Footprinted. They will literally then stay ever apart and on separate sides of 'the tracks'.
Point well taken.
I just think that Xanga's time and effort would be better spent on truly useful features instead of stuff like this.
I'm all for the Footprints User Lock as you have described.
The only thing I would add would be to upgrade the "Blocked User" feature so that if someone is on my blocked list, they cannot see my page regardless of whether or not they are signed in or participating in Footprints.
This may actually already be part of the process. Truth be told, I'm not sure. I just know there is at least one person on my blocked list who is showing up on my Footprints tracker. I do not know if they can actually see my site when they are signed in because I do not ever speak to this person.
And yes, they could just make a new account. But at least this way I could be sure that the people who I know who I do not want seeing my site at all would be kept from it.
Any ideas?
--End of Line--
The other thing that should NOT happen is the updating of the blocked user list we already have...it's the 'stalker call' to them..."Hey, look, they wrote, the site updated, let's GO!" I do hope if there is ever a blocked footprints implemented that it actually cuts off ALL interaction, instead of giving access and info to the very ones that you are trying to stop from harassing you. But then, I'm just one out of all of the paranoid muck.
excuse the dumb look on my face (scratches head) -
*Yawn
Anyway I don't really care one way or the other, I post protected and am VERY careful about who I allow to read my blog..
so if someone gives me problems....I know who it is and I can take care of it....
I check to see who has visited me...but I think it is just feeding into the parinoia that some on xanga feed off of......personally, I think that if someone is so parinoid that they have to complain about people reading a public blog, without private posting is childish and boring and the footprint option isn't really going to make a difference because they will just find something else to complain about......
it's too bad we can't prop individual comments - tina would get mine!
As I sit here, reading this wealth of information, coming up w/several opinions of my own and seeing some of them being addressed with these comments . . . I’m slowly distracted by the fading changing color of your eprop symbols . . . staring at them blankly, watching the rainbow slowly pass me by, I went on a relaxing mental trip . . . suddenly, shook my head and tried to remember what the hell I was going to comment about in the first place . . . ooooh, pretty colors . . . oh yeah, I fall under the curious who like to track and don’t really give a hairy rats ass if I’m tracked, cuz let’s face it, there’s no such thing as true privacy in today’s day’n age. I thank you for posting this information, definitely cleared a couple of things up for me.
this whole mess reminds me of caller-id
holy... i thought i was complicated. ::bows in awe::
Thanks sean...I will make a mental note of it and treasure it above any and all other props I have ever recieved!!!!
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What I wanna know, is can I still wear my socks and sandals?
not with shorts, mitch. fashion dweeb.
you know, being a basic computer idiot to begin with, i'm pleased as punch to announce that i can now add yet another mark to my "huh"? list. i don't get it. i don't care. i shut it off. i have little fat feet. someone w/proxy routed through nevada, virginia and california...and bloglines lurrrrrrves me...and that was all i needed to know. i already knew about the paranoia. so...neener.
oh. here's what i don't get. if people are so freaking uncomfortable on xanga, why don't they leave? it can't be because they have lifetime or any of that, since lifetime's no longer an option. and it can't be because they feel loved here if they spend ao much of their time afraid of being watched, mocked, copied, quoted, stolen from, yada, or surely they'd not be writing, posting commenting, etc., in a public venue. would they? or perhaps...it's their incessant need to accuse everyfuckingone else in the world for all of their woes rather than looking in the mirror. or maybe they enjoy constantly complaining about the service or lack thereof they receive from/on xanga.
or perhaps not.
o_O
well then.
see why i don't say much any more?
"ao" much = "so" much.
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I agree. Nice post. Pete
pretty much sounds a lot like the phone caller I.D.
(which is a curse and blessing, if ya know what I mean.)
im still trying to figure this whole footprint thing out, and it sounds like you seem to know a little about it. what the heck is it? and what does it mean when it says i have two footprints from "Colorado"?
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