January 16, 2001
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We all pretty much agree that Xanga probably isn’t currently making much money for its sponsors, don’t we? And some of us have observed that one, if not the main, intention for the creation of this weblog may have been to generate a complex of Reviews that would promote commerce and somehow (???) return revenue to the sponsors. If so, that has not transpired thus far.
Or is something else planned? Could it be that after Xanga’s probation passes and when the community is sufficiently large, that the sponsors will rollout their cash cow? If so, what form of enterprise might that be?
Here’s some ideas:
They post more annoying, but more lucrative, banners.
And as Dienekes observes: You log until the point of no return and on your 20,000th post you're informed that *You have 10 free posts left. However, for $19.95 per month...*
Then they create a *Geocities Plus*-type program that both offers new features as inducements and removal of other features (e.g., new annoying banners) as value-added by subtraction..
What new features could the Xanga sponsors provide…for a small charge? Perhaps they are reading us to find out what we want, what we might pay for.
How about archived backup of your journal on a special mirror site? Should anything happen to Xanga (hackers bust its frail portal, Bianca is kidnapped..oh,no!; wait! Bianca is the new Patty Hearst: she just took Genius prisoner, etc.), the mirror site remains intact and available to you to recover your writings, for a small fee.
Would anyone be willing to cough up a buck or two a month to have their *comments* collected and available on a special-access comment page. Every time you make a comment on another log, your comment page is likewise updated with that comment. I well know that some Xangites are great commentators and enjoy it more than even journaling. Their real effort would lie in such an anthology of comments. Also, I have, and I have noticed that some others have, occasionally made a new journal entry out of a comment that was considered particularly worthwhile. So comments can sometimes be considered thought nuggets. Sometimes, too, you just want to remember some special comment you made to someone—but can’t remember where to find it. The point being that if your comments are part of you and you value saving them, you might....So..hmm.
Might they package some sort of chat or *Human Click* type functionality for those willing to dish out a little currency for more current interaction and control? Provide and allow javascript applets as a thrown-in bonus?
Or…now here’s an idea…might they not open an *eProp store* where you can obtain actual merchandise for accumulated eProps? Of course, like carnival games where the cost of a chance is often greater than the prize even if you win on the first try, the *donation* you make to *activate* your eProps will exceed the worth of the token merchandise—but who cares? Getting an *I’m an eProp whore* or *I’m an eProp pimp* button for one’s efforts and a little cash is just overly compelling!
Paying for vanity? What if the Xanga lords would offer you the chance to view your *ratings* like never before? Well, first, return to you the overall daily rating chart along with individual post ratings. But not stop there: give you stats on who has overall over time given you the most eProps and most comments, charts to plot your daily *progress*, rates (your eProps and comments as a % of total eProps and comments) to give you a sense of weight...Nauseating? Perhaps, but that won't dissuade vanity. This, by the way, would avoid that characterization of being a popularity contest since it would be a private paid-for popularity *report* and not everyone would be playing *the game*. Until, of course, someone posted their *popularity report* as a log, and then the games, no doubt, would begin again...Of course, Celeste and Agrochick already know who are their most popular patrons (themselves? hehe) and so would not have that need of this service.
Yes, and my favorite: Would you pay a small one-time or occasional fee to see who's who in Xangaland? Hey, the founders know who they give cookies to. So they could allow us to sort members by held cookie source and thus discover what *members* are posting from the same location. So when you discover that bianca and ylvas are posting from the same PC, do you conclude that bianca is laying low on the farm? Or when you see that heresmy2cents and holly green are also sharing a common source--is that a tryst or has Holly broken our trust? (sorry, Holly, but I would just love to imagine hearing you say: *here's my 2 cents, and here's my 2 cents, now here's my 2 cents...* in a spirit of double entendre, hehe).
Thanks to tjenius for some attention paid to a journal competitor (oh,no! u mean that xanga isn't unike?) and what they are doing to feed their servers: livejournal.
Or will the kind sponsors just keep providing us indefinitely with no cash-cow angle but new features forever for free? If so, let us bow to the Enlightened Ones.
Comments (230)
My biggest fear is that they'll start charging for web space. Imagine keeping writing on the weblog for a couple of years. Once you're hooked, they'll politely notify you that you've reached your space limit, and for $19.95... or bye bye log
Lots of good points. Yeah, just how are they making any money?
I'd like them to give us some place to archive our pictures. And I like the suggestion about the comments. I keep all my outgoing email, just so I can reread witty and not so witty things I say to other people. Here, I have no way of doing that--no easy way, at least.
But, I'm cheap. I'm not willing to pay for these things, and I'll put up with the ads, just like I do at geocities.
Nobody's getting money from this guy.
You raised lots of good points.
I want an "I'm an eProp Whore" button !!!!
Hi Steve!
) – If I remember correctly, Nietzsche opens up “beyond good and evil” with: ‘supposing truth to be a woman’… essentially as something of an enigma.
(I’m stealthily writing from work).
It seems Xanga postings aren’t to be handled with kid gloves!! Curse the parenthesis!
You didn’t need to rewrite, but I appreciate the gesture.
I’m not acquainted with Jungian psychology, but I think I understand where you’re coming from! I’m glad you didn’t take it the wrong way (though the Fruedian delete key may speak otherwise!
Gav.
Very nice, well said. *laughs* Lets just...not bring back the eProp wars.
"She's got more than I do, mommy...NO FAIR!!"
gods, I hope they don't bring back what EVERYONE else considered to be some sort of competition. I sure as hell didn't make it that. Those whiney assed idiots that have nothing better to do than point fingers and make accusations are the ones at fault...and even *THEN* they were leaving comments and eprops...pushing us "eProp whores" to the top. It's their own damned fault that the whole thing started.
Xanga can go on, or it can die. The fact is, it won't hurt me...I *have* other things to do with my life and they are quite fun and a hell of a lot more interesting.
O Celeste: it's all in jest! And I respect your attitude tremendously!
They may not be making money on us, yet, but I'm making money off this gig. I just sold my play Afterglow to an Indie studio who wants to turn it into the most hyped eight minute short feature since "George Lucas in Love." Now Holly and I can take that trip to the Czech Republic we've been dreaming of. Got to run - phone is ringing off the hook, and we've got to water Bianca's head.
why not just write and let go of your written words, they are water down the stream, you can never get them back, who cares if Xanga too slips the docks and floats off and away from us, we only live in the present and its all going by so fast, we can try and cling at each breath that escapes us and immortalise it, but why bother, why lose our pleasure in breathing fresh air....
LOL..Here is to all the e-prop whores and pimps, what all xanganites aspire to *self included*. Great post, you are probably closer to the than we all know!
why haven't i subscribed to your site yet? you are doing us all a favor by trying to figure out the enigma of xanga. i think there should be a xanga chat room...a chat room just for us xangites and then i would really be hooked. anyways. here's a couple of eprops, buy yourself something nice. ha ha.
Xanga as the Antichrist theory: When we are all thoroughly hooked on and loyal to Xanga, the head honchos will ask us all to pilot a new technology with barcodes and digital money and VIOLA: the doom of the earth rides on the backs of the Xanga-ites.
lol. they had better not charge! funny how we have a hard time trusting xanga at all (not that we have any reason to) because of the Bianca conspiracy... the thought crosses my mind- how many Biancas are out there? and once one Bianca is discovered by us oh-too-smart people does another one then rise and take her place? scary scary... for all I know any of you could be bianca, but if you really think about it all us may have a bit of bianca deep inside... NAH. enough ramblings. thanks for the humor notforprophit. i enjoyed your site as usual
hmmm... if they weren't thinking all this, they might be now
Hehehe, mighty long but Miiiiiigggggghhhhhtyyyyy interesting! Makes you wonder where Xanga is going to take us all because let's face it, we're all tied to the same ship mast - lets just hope the ship don't go down!......Ekkkkk! hehehe
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I figure there will eventually be ads... but I don't even know how those ads make money for the sponsors. I mean, I usually ignore banner ads. I think I've clicked on a banner maybe twice in all the time I've been on the internet and never bought anything as a direct result of a banner. I think I know why all the internet stocks are taking a beating... everyone is on the internet, but no one has yet figured out to really win at this game. The game isn't over until you take the profits and run. Even Amazon.com, which I thought was in the perfect position to make a killing because books are the perfect product to sell online, somehow thought they could sell anything just because they could sell books. I think Xanga is probably temporary... but then everything in life is. I'll save anything that I write for Xanga that is worth keeping, and consider the rest good practice at self expression. I will enjoy it while it is here and go on to something else when they fold their tents and steal away.
can someone please tell me who the hell bianca is? she got me hooked on this too and i thoguht she was a real person! she said she saw my sight on geocities and thought i would like xanga? does bianca even exist?
completely lost,
(big surprise)
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I reckon ... you should pay something like $0.01 for an eProp ... and you can buy them 100 at a time, and then when you run out you have to buy some more .. I think it would mean that people then only gave eProps to people who DO REALLY deserve them .. instead of giving them away like they're disposable ... if people had to pay for them, they'd think twice about giving them ... and the featured content pages would actually mean something ...
um... that would be notforprophet. please excuse the poor spelling! ~paige
I think its time someone took the keyboard away from you. You can be "whole" without xanga, you know this right? *blink*
Bravo! I think one everyone is missing is that this is just kind of fun. Some people out there in the world are actually into fun. (:
Personally, I believe that we'll soon be seeing the "Xanga" book on Amazon shelves. The blurb will read:
"You want art? Poetry? Plays? Religion? Social commentary? Humour? Psychotic ravings? Philosophical monologues? Schoolgirl diaries? Unashamed stupidity? Private journal entries?
Find them all and more within these pages. Over 2000 succinct and entertaining encapsulations from the most unfamiliar names you will never encounter (or hope to)."
'A lovely jeu d'esprit: the only thing that made me stop reading it was the irresistible urge to sell my PC'
- The Guardian
$19.95
Wow! This one was soooo good---look at those comments 'flowing'...Great job, Steve. Right now, I won't worry about anything at all. I took your advice--I emailed my 'thoughts' to one of my email services-- so no worry, I am happy, unless that email service decides to close their service. *lol* well- I will cross the bridge when I get there. For now, please don't spoil the fun I am having. *lol* Can't believe it-you are on top of the eProps A-List! Later!
I am amused.
I always kinda thought they were created to compete with LiveJournal. How does LiveJournal make money?
livejournal has a paid subscription for $25 yearly to include no banner ads, more customizations allowable, streamlined site name, pager messaging upon receipt of comments, etc. over and above its free subscriptions.
After I log on here I copy and save my logs to my own file. Then at the end of the month I print out a hard copy and add it to a notebook. That way I have back-ups and something to read later on down the line.
acidburr,
For the most cleverly delicious and undisputedly popular expose of *bianca*, visit Holly Green's post , a "best-of-Xanga" collectible.
bleh
I’m going to spin-off an insightful and heartfelt log of James from yesterday wherein he described David’s decision to *draw a line in the sand* of Xanga by rededicating his (David’s) site as a Christian Blog Web Ring with exclusive membership. Read James’ account, by all means. It is much more considerate than what I have to say.
David describes his Blog Web Ring (BWR) thusly: “This site is dedicated to promoting those sites that are free of profanity and Sexual content and in no way limited to just Christian sites.” Free—as evaluated by David, self-appointed eCensor for his Christian BWR.
So who’s next? The Aussie Blog Web Ring? The Female Blog Web Ring? The Under-Twenty Blog Web Ring? The Poetry Blog Web Ring (*tough one: sounds so good to me!*)? Which former common citizen Xangite bloggers amongst us will now step forward and apart as self-promoted eCensors for their special interest group (SIG) ? Come on! Don’t be shy. David’s led the way…time for us all to follow. Jockey for realignment one and all—or be left without a Ring! (almost like facing the fate of becoming a spinster..ooh). Actually, don’t worry all of you who fear that you may not meet the standards of *any* of the upcoming Blog Web Ring eCensors. I am going to start an Anti-Blog Web Ring, the only requirement for membership in which BWR is that all other BWR’s have summarily rejected you.
By the way, the Xangites that go by the names of Christ, Jesus, and Jesus_Christ will not be joining the Christian Blog Web Ring. The have a curious leaning toward the tentative Anti-Blog Web Ring but are non-commital at this point. They have instructed me, however, to inform the Christian Blog Web Ring that they have no intention of disrupting or scandalizing their proceedings—as could be well possible, given the historic credibility associated with their names. Rather nice guys, I should say, for promising to stay so non-controversially low key.
Rather uncanny how they have just added a comments page today... Are you sure you're not in on this thing?
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Could Xanga really be NotForProfit?!
It's bound to follow the geocities route, with little features added subtly until ultimately our whole weblogs will be prostituted with commercial advertising.
I have felt for a while that notforprophet is more xanga than not; that is why I have subscribed to him
sometimes there is something more powerfull than money. Xanga has a lot of heartfelt soul 'personal experiences' a lot of new members since x-mas, more traffic.
This thing called the 'Internet' seems to me to be a new mind (soul, being, god) something. By submiting your most private thoughts (even if it's anonymous) you provide content.
Remember content is King.
links without comment amount to nothing...who cares?
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